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At Escapade this morning,

devilc and I combined the panels we proposed for Supernatural into one. One half the panel was about the show; the other was about J2 fic. Here are my notes:

Season 10

The boys are back to dealing with their own shit, and they are dealing with it together.
Back to saving people, hunting things.
Not at odds with external forces.
The conflict are not manufactured (as in Season 8 and 9). They work through things.
Like the idea of the angels, but the theological plot overtook the show and does not seem to be planned out.
The writers have simplified the overall plot and can handle the smaller scale stories this year.
The emotional trust between the boys is back, but they still have disagreements over the methods and means.
The show is getting back to other supernatural beings, which is interesting for people who are interested in mythology and folklore in general.
A good angel story was Hannah's, though it wasn't perfect.
There should have been more episodes with Demon Dean.

The 200th Episode: Olive Branch or Pacifier?

It was a love letter to fandom, with reservations.
Line drawn, as if the show was saying, you do your thing, this is our thing.
It was not like the previous fandom-focused episodes that alienated fans.
Message: there is power in fanfiction.
Message: it is what you make it.
The show is still willing to push the envelope.
The casting was perfect, especially the stage manager.
Appreciated that the musical an all-female cast.
Great songs.

RPS

One participant says she reads Wincest for unhappy endings, J2 for happy endings.
Why is there a renaissance? #boathouse
Like fics that are about a life they might have had or might dream for themselves.
Like fics where the J2 characters are similar to their real life personalities.
Has there been a change in how J2 are characterized? From being like Sam and Dean to being like their public personas?
Character bleed stories were popular in the early years.
Wife bashers seem to be out of the fandom by now: they've moved on.
Fic draws a distinction between having fun with J2 as characters and objectifying the actual actors.
Early on, the most popular fics were Gen and Wincest. Now, on A03, it's J2, Destiel and Wincest, in that order.
It seems like the first five years of vids are all gone from the Internet.
One participant contributed to poisontaster's A Kept Boy universe.

General Stuff

A good spin-off would be hunter school, perhaps with Jody and Charlie as instructors.
Men of Letters needs more exploration, including Judah Initiative and famous historical figures who might have been hunters.
The bunker allows them to have access to resources previously provided by Bobby. The show had relied too much on Bobby to solve things.
They need to go back to Vegas, where they are supposedly visit every year. They should go to the Neon Boneyard to find a case.

There was a call for J2 recommendations. If you have some links, please add them to the comments!